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Michael De Leacy QLD Australia October 2019
Hi Roy. do you have any information on the change to our spelling? (De Leacy). Thank you for your work.
Reply from Roy, All the recognised names including De Leacy are correct. Different scribes or monastery monks gave their own version of how to spell Lacy which led to different spellings in different areas. Remember the first dictionary did not appear till the 1700s. There is more about Lacy names on page 1 of de Lacy family tree.
Hi Roy. do you have any information on the change to our spelling? (De Leacy). Thank you for your work.
Reply from Roy, All the recognised names including De Leacy are correct. Different scribes or monastery monks gave their own version of how to spell Lacy which led to different spellings in different areas. Remember the first dictionary did not appear till the 1700s. There is more about Lacy names on page 1 of de Lacy family tree.
Rachel Lacy, North Yorkshire, UK. August 2019
I've got a Lacy family in York as far back as William Lacy (1791 to 1853), who moved to York from Nottingham.
Things get less certain after that: I've seen a Lister Lacy mentioned on here that is potentially one of this branch, if not then William's parents are James and Ginny (nee Gilbert), and his grandfather was Luke Lacy, a cornet in Lord Cholmondeley's Regiment and a "quadroon"according to the parish record of James's birth. After that I;m stumped, does anybody else have York Lacys in their family tree?
Reply from Roy, There is certainly a number of Lacy families with North & East Yorkshire connections.
I've got a Lacy family in York as far back as William Lacy (1791 to 1853), who moved to York from Nottingham.
Things get less certain after that: I've seen a Lister Lacy mentioned on here that is potentially one of this branch, if not then William's parents are James and Ginny (nee Gilbert), and his grandfather was Luke Lacy, a cornet in Lord Cholmondeley's Regiment and a "quadroon"according to the parish record of James's birth. After that I;m stumped, does anybody else have York Lacys in their family tree?
Reply from Roy, There is certainly a number of Lacy families with North & East Yorkshire connections.
Andrew De Lacey Hampshire, UK August 2019
Regarding the posts from Paul De Lacy in January 2018, Tommy De Lacey in Sept 2017 and Joseph De Lacey in Jan 2017 - I too am related to Christopher Lacey and Matilda Fair. My grandfather was John de Lacey, son of Christopher and Matilda's son Christopher. I've gotten a little bit further back in my research to the early 1800's and would love to swap any info they might have etc.
Reply from Roy, We now have a growing thread based upon Matilda Fair. If you recognise the name please join in. I have advised personally all parties concerned.
Regarding the posts from Paul De Lacy in January 2018, Tommy De Lacey in Sept 2017 and Joseph De Lacey in Jan 2017 - I too am related to Christopher Lacey and Matilda Fair. My grandfather was John de Lacey, son of Christopher and Matilda's son Christopher. I've gotten a little bit further back in my research to the early 1800's and would love to swap any info they might have etc.
Reply from Roy, We now have a growing thread based upon Matilda Fair. If you recognise the name please join in. I have advised personally all parties concerned.
Patrick Evans : June 2019
On the Evans side, I have been tracing family back from George Evans of Ireland, and our tree ends at a mysterious “Walter De Lacy Evans” or “Sir James De Lacy Evans” (b 1725) who married “Jane Wilson” in 1755 or 1760. James is sometimes called “General Sir James” in the tree, but I believe this to be a mistake to link back to General Sir George De Lacy Evans (b 1787 above). I would be interested to know if you have any information about a Walter/James De Lacy Evans born around 1725 who married a Jane Wilson. It might connect the De Lacy tree and also might answer some of your questions given Sir George had no children that I am aware of. Their children would be many, including possibly Alexander, Thomas, George, James, John, William, Catherine, Jane, Samuel and Arnold.
Reply from Roy, Are these names ringing any bells with anyone? Thanks also to Patrick for sending me an interesting PDF relating to General George de Lacy Evans MP. I will publish this and a review (the PDF is 211 pages)
On the Evans side, I have been tracing family back from George Evans of Ireland, and our tree ends at a mysterious “Walter De Lacy Evans” or “Sir James De Lacy Evans” (b 1725) who married “Jane Wilson” in 1755 or 1760. James is sometimes called “General Sir James” in the tree, but I believe this to be a mistake to link back to General Sir George De Lacy Evans (b 1787 above). I would be interested to know if you have any information about a Walter/James De Lacy Evans born around 1725 who married a Jane Wilson. It might connect the De Lacy tree and also might answer some of your questions given Sir George had no children that I am aware of. Their children would be many, including possibly Alexander, Thomas, George, James, John, William, Catherine, Jane, Samuel and Arnold.
Reply from Roy, Are these names ringing any bells with anyone? Thanks also to Patrick for sending me an interesting PDF relating to General George de Lacy Evans MP. I will publish this and a review (the PDF is 211 pages)
Don Koehler, Oregon, USA. May14th 2019
My wife and I just returned from a trip to Ireland, and visited Trim Castle. While on a tour of the keep, the guide mentioned to me that I should read your book, as my great-grandmother was a Lacy. I have been able to trace my Lacy ancestry back to a William Lacy, born in 1778 in South Carolina, USA, but no further. Do you have any information on Lacy's who immigrated to the US prior to 1778? I did read about James Lacy in the comments, but could find no mention of other Lacy's immigrating to the US. I have enjoyed your book and found the history and information fascinating, just as the tour guide at Trim said it would be.
Reply from Roy: 1785 is I think to early for ship manifestos. Do you know if your family has an Irish heritage if so I can recommend two sites you may want to visit who are more expert on this type of question. "The wild geese" https://thewildgeese.irish/page/the-wild-geese-history and www.irelandxo.com Good luck with your search and thank you for the nice comment about my book 'de Lacy Chronicles'
My wife and I just returned from a trip to Ireland, and visited Trim Castle. While on a tour of the keep, the guide mentioned to me that I should read your book, as my great-grandmother was a Lacy. I have been able to trace my Lacy ancestry back to a William Lacy, born in 1778 in South Carolina, USA, but no further. Do you have any information on Lacy's who immigrated to the US prior to 1778? I did read about James Lacy in the comments, but could find no mention of other Lacy's immigrating to the US. I have enjoyed your book and found the history and information fascinating, just as the tour guide at Trim said it would be.
Reply from Roy: 1785 is I think to early for ship manifestos. Do you know if your family has an Irish heritage if so I can recommend two sites you may want to visit who are more expert on this type of question. "The wild geese" https://thewildgeese.irish/page/the-wild-geese-history and www.irelandxo.com Good luck with your search and thank you for the nice comment about my book 'de Lacy Chronicles'
Paul de Lacy, Mayo, Ireland April 26th 2019
My great-great-grandfather was Christopher de Lacy. He worked in a biscuit factory in Dublin at the time of the 1911-census, as did at least one of his sons, Thomas (born c 1889), who is my great-grandfather. Thomas was his eldest child so Christopher was probably born in the 1850s, but possibly not in Dublin... Would anyone else know of this Christopher de Lacy? He married Matilda Fair. Thanks Paul de Lacy
Reply from Roy, Can any of the Dublin based contributors or any other de Lacy followers to this page help Paul?
My great-great-grandfather was Christopher de Lacy. He worked in a biscuit factory in Dublin at the time of the 1911-census, as did at least one of his sons, Thomas (born c 1889), who is my great-grandfather. Thomas was his eldest child so Christopher was probably born in the 1850s, but possibly not in Dublin... Would anyone else know of this Christopher de Lacy? He married Matilda Fair. Thanks Paul de Lacy
Reply from Roy, Can any of the Dublin based contributors or any other de Lacy followers to this page help Paul?
Lynn Pitttier, WA, USA. Feb 12 2018
I inherited an engraved silver spoon: "Laura De Lacey Lillibridge". Laura was born 1827 Plainfield Ct.. D. 1913 Berkeley CA.
D/O Kenyon Lillibridge & Wealthy Newcomb/Nucomb.of CT. & RI. Found one Thomas Lillibridge of Essex Eng. 1595- 1667 in Boston MA. with a wife named Laura DeLacey, but I believe she died in England prior to his emigration.
Can't find Laceys or De laceys where the lillibridges settled for generations. Then Laura 1827 appears. Have a continual wonderment about the DeLacey middle name. Thanks Lynn Pittier ( Great Grand Daughter of Laura)
Reply from Roy.Very early emigration to America. Possibly First to Virginia? Any English connections to the name Lillibridge?
I inherited an engraved silver spoon: "Laura De Lacey Lillibridge". Laura was born 1827 Plainfield Ct.. D. 1913 Berkeley CA.
D/O Kenyon Lillibridge & Wealthy Newcomb/Nucomb.of CT. & RI. Found one Thomas Lillibridge of Essex Eng. 1595- 1667 in Boston MA. with a wife named Laura DeLacey, but I believe she died in England prior to his emigration.
Can't find Laceys or De laceys where the lillibridges settled for generations. Then Laura 1827 appears. Have a continual wonderment about the DeLacey middle name. Thanks Lynn Pittier ( Great Grand Daughter of Laura)
Reply from Roy.Very early emigration to America. Possibly First to Virginia? Any English connections to the name Lillibridge?
Michael DeLacy DeLacy, Massachusetts, USA. Feb 2019
Many, many thanks for your work in discovering the fascinating history of our shared family! I have traced my DeLacy's back to a man I believe to be my great, great grandfather. Peter De Lacy: Born in Dublin 10 May of 1810. Died Worcester Massachusetts 16 January, 1880. I think he immigrated thru Boston in May of 1852. Do you have any knowledge of this branch of our tree? Cheers, Michael
Many, many thanks for your work in discovering the fascinating history of our shared family! I have traced my DeLacy's back to a man I believe to be my great, great grandfather. Peter De Lacy: Born in Dublin 10 May of 1810. Died Worcester Massachusetts 16 January, 1880. I think he immigrated thru Boston in May of 1852. Do you have any knowledge of this branch of our tree? Cheers, Michael
Glenn Smith, British Columbia, Canada. January 25th 19
Hello Roy, I am awaiting delivery of your book and my query may be within it, however, I would like to know if you have any information regarding indivuals beyond my great x4 grandfather, Bryan Lacey, b. 1770 in Wexford, Ireland. He was married to Margery Murphy, b. about 1775-80. Any assistance or direction would be greatly appreciated.
Reply from Roy. Thank you for purchasing de Lacy Chronicles. Feel free to send a review when you have read it. Any Wexford memory's stirred here?
Hello Roy, I am awaiting delivery of your book and my query may be within it, however, I would like to know if you have any information regarding indivuals beyond my great x4 grandfather, Bryan Lacey, b. 1770 in Wexford, Ireland. He was married to Margery Murphy, b. about 1775-80. Any assistance or direction would be greatly appreciated.
Reply from Roy. Thank you for purchasing de Lacy Chronicles. Feel free to send a review when you have read it. Any Wexford memory's stirred here?
David and Betty Jane Pettit. USA via Email. January 10thMy husband's grandmother (Francis Bell Delacey) was the daughter of John Jefferson Criplett Delacey. His father was Hirram, Hiram Hiriam? Delacey, however, all the family trees we find have the wrong Hiram listed which throws off everything. John J C was born in 1855 KY...(He had a sister named Lottie) The Hirram that we find connected to several trees has a birth date of 1846..Which means this "father" would have only been 11 years old and married:) WE don't think so!!
The family has always mentioned being descendants from France. Do you have any insight on this?
Reply from Roy
Are there any Members of the details Lacy family who can relate to these names?
The family has always mentioned being descendants from France. Do you have any insight on this?
Reply from Roy
Are there any Members of the details Lacy family who can relate to these names?
Arnold Collins, New South Wales Australia Jan 2nd 2019
My Great Great father was John Lacy came to South Australia in 1848 he was born 25 March 1820 in England Recently I found a John Lacy born 4 August 1819 son of William Lacy and Jane lacy nee Hauxwell John Name a lot of his children after his brothers and sistersWliiam Lacy was born 25 Nov 1798 his parents were Lister Lacy and Susanna Lacy nee Watson but I cannot find where Lister Lacy was born all these details have come from Yorkshire area of England if any one is connected to my famliy with any info I would be very grateful
Reply from Roy
There are quite a few de Lacy Familys established in Yorkshire. Can any of them relate to the names Arnold has left here? Let Roy know if you can.
My Great Great father was John Lacy came to South Australia in 1848 he was born 25 March 1820 in England Recently I found a John Lacy born 4 August 1819 son of William Lacy and Jane lacy nee Hauxwell John Name a lot of his children after his brothers and sistersWliiam Lacy was born 25 Nov 1798 his parents were Lister Lacy and Susanna Lacy nee Watson but I cannot find where Lister Lacy was born all these details have come from Yorkshire area of England if any one is connected to my famliy with any info I would be very grateful
Reply from Roy
There are quite a few de Lacy Familys established in Yorkshire. Can any of them relate to the names Arnold has left here? Let Roy know if you can.
Sherry Lacy_Gonzales, Florida, USA. December 28th 2018
Recently I found out from a cousin that she thinks we originated from France. I have always thought we originated from Ireland. She said originally we were De Lacy's. So that started my internet search and lead me to here. I'm hoping this is our family heritage line and we can learn more about where "us". I just ordered your book. I can't wait to share it with my dad, Robert Lacy. His father was Preston Lacy.
Reply from Roy
Both you and your cousin may well be right. Within the 'Flight of the Wild Geese' page you will discover that the Irish Brigade including members of the de Lacy family formed and important part of the French Army.
Recently I found out from a cousin that she thinks we originated from France. I have always thought we originated from Ireland. She said originally we were De Lacy's. So that started my internet search and lead me to here. I'm hoping this is our family heritage line and we can learn more about where "us". I just ordered your book. I can't wait to share it with my dad, Robert Lacy. His father was Preston Lacy.
Reply from Roy
Both you and your cousin may well be right. Within the 'Flight of the Wild Geese' page you will discover that the Irish Brigade including members of the de Lacy family formed and important part of the French Army.
Carol Gee via de Lacy Chronicles Facebook page: UK Aug 12th 2018
My ancestor, Samuel Habergham (possibly then Habercham, Habringham or any other ways of spelling it in medieval times) had a connection to Roger de Lacy in that, Roger gave an oxgang of land in Habergham, Lancashire to Matthew de Habergham, and his heirs, for their homage, a rent of 3s. to be given yearly at St. Giles' Day (which I have learnt about through the de Lacy Chronicles). Matthew Habergham, with the assent of Peter his eldest son, somewhat later gave a moiety of the land he held of John de Lacy, the constable of Chester, to another son Henry, at a rent of 6d. Does this mean that Roger de Lacy could have been his liege lord and he was being rewarded for his services? The name Habergham, among other meanings, seems to be Norman for maker of chain mail. Samuel also had either a coat of arms or family crest 'Argent, three crosses humette sable'. Does anyone know to whom these were awarded and why? My ancestor is also mentioned in 1269 at the Lancashire Inquisitions. Is anybody able to shed any light on the Lancashire Inquisitions? I have read the history of Sir Roger de Lacy and he was a formidable man among men and so to were his kin.
Reply from Roy: on Facebook
My ancestor, Samuel Habergham (possibly then Habercham, Habringham or any other ways of spelling it in medieval times) had a connection to Roger de Lacy in that, Roger gave an oxgang of land in Habergham, Lancashire to Matthew de Habergham, and his heirs, for their homage, a rent of 3s. to be given yearly at St. Giles' Day (which I have learnt about through the de Lacy Chronicles). Matthew Habergham, with the assent of Peter his eldest son, somewhat later gave a moiety of the land he held of John de Lacy, the constable of Chester, to another son Henry, at a rent of 6d. Does this mean that Roger de Lacy could have been his liege lord and he was being rewarded for his services? The name Habergham, among other meanings, seems to be Norman for maker of chain mail. Samuel also had either a coat of arms or family crest 'Argent, three crosses humette sable'. Does anyone know to whom these were awarded and why? My ancestor is also mentioned in 1269 at the Lancashire Inquisitions. Is anybody able to shed any light on the Lancashire Inquisitions? I have read the history of Sir Roger de Lacy and he was a formidable man among men and so to were his kin.
Reply from Roy: on Facebook
Karen Gibbs UK July 15th 2018
Hi Janice My great great Grandfather was Charles Watkyns Delacy Evans and after many many years of being a genealogist (I started when I was 12 years old) I have only just discovered that Victor Harold Conrad existed. He was not included in any census connected to the family. I was very close to my Grandmother who was his Granddaughter (daughter of Victor's sister). I di d emigrate to Australia also (came back) but my family remain in Melbourne. Would love to know why no one has ever spoken about him...
Reply from Roy:
There are more links opening up regarding the details of the de Lacy-Evens Family. I cover the joining together in approx 1780 of both name
s. in the book de Lacy Chronicles. Incidentally the Evens family were also of de Lacy roots.
Hi Janice My great great Grandfather was Charles Watkyns Delacy Evans and after many many years of being a genealogist (I started when I was 12 years old) I have only just discovered that Victor Harold Conrad existed. He was not included in any census connected to the family. I was very close to my Grandmother who was his Granddaughter (daughter of Victor's sister). I di d emigrate to Australia also (came back) but my family remain in Melbourne. Would love to know why no one has ever spoken about him...
Reply from Roy:
There are more links opening up regarding the details of the de Lacy-Evens Family. I cover the joining together in approx 1780 of both name
s. in the book de Lacy Chronicles. Incidentally the Evens family were also of de Lacy roots.
Ian Lacy Smith, UK 2th June 2018
I'm buying the "de Lacy Chronicles" as your clear timeline in the Origins confirm my 6% Viking DNA obtained from ancestry.co.uk.
All I need now is for someone to fill in the six centuries between Hugh de Lacy and my great,great,grandfather Richard Lacy born in Macroom ,Cork in 1801 ! Very well done on the excellent additions and reorganisation of your website.
Reply from Roy:
Like many of us including myself Ian, you find yourself in the 'Grey Years' of Lacy history. There is chapter in the book and even more information on the Grey years page here on the site. The more Lacy names, places and dates we can find the more we learn.
I'm buying the "de Lacy Chronicles" as your clear timeline in the Origins confirm my 6% Viking DNA obtained from ancestry.co.uk.
All I need now is for someone to fill in the six centuries between Hugh de Lacy and my great,great,grandfather Richard Lacy born in Macroom ,Cork in 1801 ! Very well done on the excellent additions and reorganisation of your website.
Reply from Roy:
Like many of us including myself Ian, you find yourself in the 'Grey Years' of Lacy history. There is chapter in the book and even more information on the Grey years page here on the site. The more Lacy names, places and dates we can find the more we learn.
Jeanne Lacy West, GA USA 16th June 2018
I noticed a question from Chris Lacy asking for names of Lacy's from the South who fought in the Civil War.
My great grandfather was Jabe Martin Lacy from Crawfordville, Georgia. He served in the 10th Cavalry, Company E, CSA. His father was Pleasant Martin Lacy, and his great grandfather was Archibald Lacy from Va. who fought in the Virginia Line in the Revolution, and
then migrated to Georgia.
Reply from Roy:
Thanks for adding your Cavalry relatives Jeanne, Immediately below is the question from Chris. Can anybody add from either side of the war any other Lacy Civil war veterans.
I noticed a question from Chris Lacy asking for names of Lacy's from the South who fought in the Civil War.
My great grandfather was Jabe Martin Lacy from Crawfordville, Georgia. He served in the 10th Cavalry, Company E, CSA. His father was Pleasant Martin Lacy, and his great grandfather was Archibald Lacy from Va. who fought in the Virginia Line in the Revolution, and
then migrated to Georgia.
Reply from Roy:
Thanks for adding your Cavalry relatives Jeanne, Immediately below is the question from Chris. Can anybody add from either side of the war any other Lacy Civil war veterans.
Chris Lacey, USA 19th May 2018
I am reading your book "de Lacey Chronicles". I saw on back cover you mentioned we had relatives on both sides of Civil War of 1861. I am interested in those relatives names, etc on the Confederate side in the South. Would you have any information or leads regarding this?
Reply from Roy:
As you know my book 'de Lacy Chronicles' covers the greater family right around the world. The only members of the American Confederate Army that I researched were James Horace Lacy and briefly his brother Rev Beverly Tucker Lacy. There will certainly be others and I would suggest you start your research within the State of Virginia. I am putting this on the de Lacy family tree in the hope that another subscriber may be able to help.
I am reading your book "de Lacey Chronicles". I saw on back cover you mentioned we had relatives on both sides of Civil War of 1861. I am interested in those relatives names, etc on the Confederate side in the South. Would you have any information or leads regarding this?
Reply from Roy:
As you know my book 'de Lacy Chronicles' covers the greater family right around the world. The only members of the American Confederate Army that I researched were James Horace Lacy and briefly his brother Rev Beverly Tucker Lacy. There will certainly be others and I would suggest you start your research within the State of Virginia. I am putting this on the de Lacy family tree in the hope that another subscriber may be able to help.
Janice Coleman Evens, Australia 14th May 2018
My father's name was Harold Victor de Lacy Evans and his father's name was Charles Watkin de Lacy Evans.
Reply from Roy
You will find information about the de Lacy Evans branch of the de Lacy family above on this page and within the book 'de Lacy Chronicles'.
Moira Penglase, Australia 10th April 2018.
Wondering if there is a connection William de lacy White born Killarney .Daughter married William Henry Murphy name was Bessie White.She lived in Wangaratta Victoria she died July 1919 buried Lake Cargelligo N.S. W. Bessie had two daughters Elizabeth Winefred and Joan Catherine.
Reply from Roy
Do you know of a William deLacy White?.
My father's name was Harold Victor de Lacy Evans and his father's name was Charles Watkin de Lacy Evans.
Reply from Roy
You will find information about the de Lacy Evans branch of the de Lacy family above on this page and within the book 'de Lacy Chronicles'.
Moira Penglase, Australia 10th April 2018.
Wondering if there is a connection William de lacy White born Killarney .Daughter married William Henry Murphy name was Bessie White.She lived in Wangaratta Victoria she died July 1919 buried Lake Cargelligo N.S. W. Bessie had two daughters Elizabeth Winefred and Joan Catherine.
Reply from Roy
Do you know of a William deLacy White?.
Brian P.T. Blake, USA 28th Feb 2018
My American Blake Family is descended from Lady Alice de Lacy (1281-1343), the only surviving child of Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln and 7th Lord of Bowland, and Margaret Longspee Plantagenet through an illicit liaison with Richard la Parker, a forester of Bowland Forest, Yorkshire (now in Lancashire).
Lady Alice was separated from her husband and Richard, born 1288, was seven years younger, about 21 years old when Alice, 28, conceived their son c.1309. Their union is the only explanation for the designation of Richard Parker of 1630 as a Gateway Ancestor of Baron John de Lacy by the Baronial Order of the Magna Charta.
I have created a chart of the de Lacy-Parker-Blake connection which I shall be happy to send to anyone interested.
Reply from Roy.
Lady Alice lies at the very end of the Ilbert de Lacy Line. Brian offers a chart of his family line back to Alice as shown in his comment.
Carolyn USA 25th Feb 2018
I am trying to trace my Lacey family. I can get back to Joseph I Lacey born in 1803 and died in Charles county MD in 1857. He married Cecelia Rock in 1826. My grand mother always told me the family originated in France but came from Ireland to America. I have also heard they possibly were from VA before settling in MD. I have tried to tie us in with several lines but have hit a wall with this Joseph Lacey and can't go back past him. I was hoping someone might have information that could help. Thank you so much!
Reply from Roy
There was many de Lacy Irish citizens who joined the Irish Brigade in France following the 'Flight of the wild geese', in 1691 eventually some will have returned to Ireland.
Paul de Lacy, Ireland, Jan 28th 2018
Regarding the Tommy De Lacey post in September 2017
Matilda de Lacy (née Fair) is my great-great-grandmother. As mentioned her husband was Christopher. I would love to have information on Christopher's parents.
Their son Thomas had a son, Christopher, born in 1919/1920 who was my grandfather.
Reply from Roy.
Paul I will advise Tommy of your interest also scroll down to Joseph de Lacey Ireland Jan 31st, 2017
My American Blake Family is descended from Lady Alice de Lacy (1281-1343), the only surviving child of Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln and 7th Lord of Bowland, and Margaret Longspee Plantagenet through an illicit liaison with Richard la Parker, a forester of Bowland Forest, Yorkshire (now in Lancashire).
Lady Alice was separated from her husband and Richard, born 1288, was seven years younger, about 21 years old when Alice, 28, conceived their son c.1309. Their union is the only explanation for the designation of Richard Parker of 1630 as a Gateway Ancestor of Baron John de Lacy by the Baronial Order of the Magna Charta.
I have created a chart of the de Lacy-Parker-Blake connection which I shall be happy to send to anyone interested.
Reply from Roy.
Lady Alice lies at the very end of the Ilbert de Lacy Line. Brian offers a chart of his family line back to Alice as shown in his comment.
Carolyn USA 25th Feb 2018
I am trying to trace my Lacey family. I can get back to Joseph I Lacey born in 1803 and died in Charles county MD in 1857. He married Cecelia Rock in 1826. My grand mother always told me the family originated in France but came from Ireland to America. I have also heard they possibly were from VA before settling in MD. I have tried to tie us in with several lines but have hit a wall with this Joseph Lacey and can't go back past him. I was hoping someone might have information that could help. Thank you so much!
Reply from Roy
There was many de Lacy Irish citizens who joined the Irish Brigade in France following the 'Flight of the wild geese', in 1691 eventually some will have returned to Ireland.
Paul de Lacy, Ireland, Jan 28th 2018
Regarding the Tommy De Lacey post in September 2017
Matilda de Lacy (née Fair) is my great-great-grandmother. As mentioned her husband was Christopher. I would love to have information on Christopher's parents.
Their son Thomas had a son, Christopher, born in 1919/1920 who was my grandfather.
Reply from Roy.
Paul I will advise Tommy of your interest also scroll down to Joseph de Lacey Ireland Jan 31st, 2017
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Chris Lacey Illinois, USA. Dec 27th
I am currently enjoying reading your book "de Lacy Chronicles" which my wife purchased me for Christmas. A fine gift!
You may be interested to know that my father Garland H. Lacey published two books on family history are available.
Ancestors and Descendants of Hiram G. Lacey and Sophia Sell. 1995 Library of Congress Catalog Number 94-79688.
As a descendant I do appreciate reading and learn more of my family history.
Reply from Roy.
Thanks for giving information of your Fathers book. This may help the research of other family members in the States.
Larry King USA November 2017
My connection to the Lacey family is my great grandmother Katherine Lacey who is descended from Richard Lacey, a immigrant from the Isle of Wight.He born in 1735 and died in 1811 in Huntingdon New Jersey U.S.A. Do you have any information on him?Family lore says that his ancestor was a surety of the Magna Charta.Thank You! I like your website.
Reply from Roy.
Hi Larry welcome. The de Lacy you are referring to was Baron John de Lacy his son Edmond followed then Henry de Lacy. Both John and Henry became Earl of Lincoln. When you read the history of Henry there is a reference that might help your search.
Tommy De Lacey September 2017
Firstly, Great work on the site. Reading through the family tree page, I came across a comment from: Joseph de Lacey Ireland, Jan 31st 2017 re his great grandmother Matilda Fair.
I have just started putting together our family tree and discovered some old photos, one is a picture of Matilda Fair circa 1910, with her son Christopher who is my grandfather. Joseph might like to have a copy so please find one attached.
Reply from Roy.
This is getting exciting! First check out 'Joseph de Lacey Ireland Jan 31st, 2017' shown below. Then check out the three photos my father and General Sir George de Lacy Evens shown above Then Matilda Fair shown here. The de Lacy Chin?
Ian Lacy-Smith, UK July 2017.
Has anyone come across the book "FOLLOWING THE LACY TRAIL" (author unknown but may be American). It contains information on an early Californian entrepreneur William Lacy (1837-1897) and his large family. William emigrated from London to Illinois in 1860 and later moved to California where he became involved in many different ventures.
William was a son of Richard Lacy (1802-1852) of Macroom, Ireland and London who is one of my greatgreatgrandfathers.
Reply from Roy
I was able to verify your facts Ian but was unable to trace the book, shame it sounds interesting. William eventually died in Mexico. My search suggests it was Richard who had the large family.
George Walker, Santa Maria CA. July 2017
Greetings from America! My name is George Walker, I live in Santa Maria CA. My Aunt and Grandmother had recently move close to my home for health reasons, and in their move they had handed over to me a bundle of family trees and history booklets of our family. My grandmother's name is Mary-Lacy, and my Aunt name is Lacy, both had been given my Great Grandmother's maiden name Ethel Lacy. In a booklet, written by my Grandmother's cousin, William Decker, he writes mostly about the Lacy Family lineage in America. But in the first chapter w writes about our family coming from the de Lacy lineage. Starting in Normandy, fighting with William in the battle of Hastings, moving into Ireland with the Norman conquest, and one James de Lacy migrating to Virginia in 1691 after the second siege of Limerick. I was wondering is you had any connection to the families that left to America at that time.
Reply from Roy.
The book 'de Lacy Chronicles' contains details of a James de Lacy of Virginia, but his story is set in 1823-1906. He may be a descendant of your James.
Justin de Lacy, Moorooduc, Victoria, Australia. July 2017
I've just become aware of your site / book / research. I'd like to discover more about my family, in particular how the de Lacy name made it to Australia! One day I'd like to visit the ancestral homeland of my family, and meet family I never knew... Your research will help a lot!
Reply from Roy.
There are clues in all the de Lacy Family Generations. If you can trace if your ancestors, emigrated to Australia, from England or Irelandthis will help you reduce your search area. Good luck.
Bill Hobday UK May12th 2017
During my research, I have come upon different theories regarding the Cromwellbottom line.
One, that they are descended from the original "legitimate" John Lacy through his son Robert de Lacy.
Two, that they are descended from the "illegitimate" John de Lacy.
However, the illegitimate John received a grant of lands in Grantchester. Descendants, such as Edmund and John are listed in various pedigrees for the Lacy's of Grantchester. If this is accurate, then who was the progenitor of the Cromwellbottom line?
The family histories I have read in ancestry.com are all over the place in regard to persons, dates, etc., so a hot spot it remains!
Thanks again for all the researching you have done, you have brought this family back to life.
Reply from Roy
Certainly, you are researching a "Hot Spot" for de Lacy descendants including Henry de Lacy Earl of Lincoln, and your target John de Lacy. However, the coat of Arms does not give conclusive proof. The registration of coats of arms did not start till much later. So someone with a tenuous link may take a fancy to their personal use.
And, how should I react being descended from an illegitimate branch? There is no need to react to historical illegitimacy. This was a big stick created by The Church and Throne to help retain power. Illegitimacy is out of date in a modern secular society.
Janice Williams, UK. April 2017
Congratulations on a well researched and presented history of the de Lacy family. I found it really easy to follow. The Datelines of the various monarchs were very helpful as were the details of each de Lacy mentioned.
After reading your book I want to find out more about John Lacy, Clothworker of London, and a favourite of Queen Elizabeth 1. You mention in your book that he was possibly the John Lacy she sent to Ireland.
Reply from Roy
Thank you for your kind comments on 'de Lacy Chronicles' . Ha's anyone else have any knowledge of John de Lacy? This is a second request for this name in de Lacy history.
Brian Patrick De Lacy, South Africa + Dublin 31st March 17
I am from South Africa. My father's name was James George De Lacy. His grandfather (my great grandfather) was from Ireland and emigrated to South Africa.
My father passed away in the 1980's and I never had the opportunity to get any heritage details from him. My brother James Terrence De Lacy is now living in Dublin and we are trying to get some direction on our heritage.
My fathers father, my grandfather, passed away when my father was 4 years old.
My mother was born in Ireland and emigrated with her family to South Africa when she was in her teens.
In anyone can provide me any info or direction on how to access my De Lacy heritage it will be appreciated.
Reply from Roy,
There are other entries which relate back to Dublin within these comments. good luck with your search. Please refer back any progress that can be shared.
Lisa Reeves, UK 2nd March 2017
Hi...I have in my family tree a maud de lacy marrying a Richard de fitton.......does anyone know of this is correct and any info on the link with these two families? Thank you.
Reply from Roy,
I have checked out the de Mitton family as the nearest link. I think possibly you have been given wrong dates. There are a number of Maud de Lacy's in the book but none married to a Richard de Fitton. Can anybody help with more information for Lisa?
Question from Bill Hobday Feb 19th
Hi Bill, Your question: He refers to the "Yorkshire" line of Lacy's-could you relate any information you have regarding that line, as it might be a clue to the Northumbrian Lacy's.
The Yorkshire de Lacy's were the ( poorly recorded) descendants of retainers and Knights who came to Pontefract Castle Yorkshire with Ilbert de Lacy from Lassy in Normandy the 1st Baron of the Honour of Pontefract. Unfortunately, the direct descendants of Ilbert came to an end in 1311. Sorry, I can add no more at this stage I will post the question on the de Lacy Family tree page we may both find a response.
Joseph de Lacey Ireland Jan 31st, 2017 I have read your blog, and it is great. My family are from Dublin, and it may be that we are related. Great Grandfather was Christopher de Lacy and Grandfather was James, Great Grandmother was Matilda Fair. Recognise anyone? My daughter has that chin as does my nephew, she thanks me every time. Keep up the very good work, Joe
Reply from Roy
Thank you, Joe. My personal family tree has suffered some neglect with my involvement in Medieval times having taken president. I have just looked back at the de Lacy tree page on the website and my father's picture and his chin, I see what you mean! When I get a chance I will look back at my early notes; the name James rings a bell.
Linda Rabineau, Pennsylvania, USA. Jan 31st 2017
I am researching the de Lacy line that resided in Barbados, West Indies during the 1640's through the early 1700's.
The Widow Mary de Lacy was brought to America in the early 1700's by Stephen Griffin of Simsbury CT. De Lacy was her first husband's surname and was said to be quite wealthy and of Spanish/Portuguese descent.
Hoping to finally find someone that may help me bring this line of Lacy's into the European line and find the given name of her first husband most of all. Oral tradition says that Stephen brought the Widow de Lacy to America after she had nursed him back to health while becoming ill in Barbados. He married the Widow and brought her and her two daughters, Martha and Mary with her. This information comes to me from the notes of Albert C Bates, a local historian of Simsbury CT who interviewed Lester Griffin (the great grandson of Stephen Griffin). I have a tree, open to the public, BACON and GRIFFIN family tree, on Ancestry, user ID is Rabi51, and welcome anyone wanting to look at it
Reply From Roy
First the positive part. There are close links to the de Lacy family in Spain. Not just Spanish National heroes like Field Marshall Luis de Lacy there is a chapter in De Lacy Chronicles which covers his adventures and eventual fate. He and many of his contemporizes were descendants of Irish stock who left Ireland to join the Irish Brigade in Europe. From the English branch of the family, there were de Lacy's who fled and settled in Spain to escape the wrath of King John in the twelfth century. All of which gives credence to the husband of Widow de Lacy being Spanish. Given the involvement of Spain in and about South America at times strengthens the reason why they may have been there. The negative part is Linda, sorry I can offer no information about the Griffin Family but good luck in your search.
From Ron Lacy (USA) Jan 14th, 2017
If the Normans are of the small Tribe of Benjamin in Israel . The tribe of Benjamin were with the tribe of Judah together in Yahrusalem, who fought the 10 tribes of Israel in Samaria. Benjamin were only of 26,000 men, while the other 10 had 410,000 fighting there own brothers, whom the smaller defeated the larger twice! There had to be marriages between Judah and Benjamin. So the DeLacys (Lacys) will also be Jewish, plus what ever region we all setteled in , world wide. My family settled in Ireland, USA, England, Scotland , Czechlosavakia (spelling)? ., my DNA says Jewish., also Spain, Italy, Russia. Somewhere I read that the name Lacy meant Delta, and Deadly. my first name Ronald means mighty ruler, hence "Deadly Mighty Ruler". I didn't make this up! Ronald Lacy Toledo, Ohio. I have bought 4 of your DLC books.
Reply by Roy
Thank you, Ron, for your interesting comment. From my years researching the de Lacy family I have learned not to be surprised at any possible theory's regarding first, the medieval de Lacy family's origins their place in Norman history and finally the Norman place in Viking History. You are now offering a theory travelling back over a further two thousand years into the origins of the de Lacy family connecting its past with the twelfth biblical tribe of Israel. Out of my range of thinking Ron but it would be interesting if anyone else can add to Ron's theory.
I am currently enjoying reading your book "de Lacy Chronicles" which my wife purchased me for Christmas. A fine gift!
You may be interested to know that my father Garland H. Lacey published two books on family history are available.
Ancestors and Descendants of Hiram G. Lacey and Sophia Sell. 1995 Library of Congress Catalog Number 94-79688.
As a descendant I do appreciate reading and learn more of my family history.
Reply from Roy.
Thanks for giving information of your Fathers book. This may help the research of other family members in the States.
Larry King USA November 2017
My connection to the Lacey family is my great grandmother Katherine Lacey who is descended from Richard Lacey, a immigrant from the Isle of Wight.He born in 1735 and died in 1811 in Huntingdon New Jersey U.S.A. Do you have any information on him?Family lore says that his ancestor was a surety of the Magna Charta.Thank You! I like your website.
Reply from Roy.
Hi Larry welcome. The de Lacy you are referring to was Baron John de Lacy his son Edmond followed then Henry de Lacy. Both John and Henry became Earl of Lincoln. When you read the history of Henry there is a reference that might help your search.
Tommy De Lacey September 2017
Firstly, Great work on the site. Reading through the family tree page, I came across a comment from: Joseph de Lacey Ireland, Jan 31st 2017 re his great grandmother Matilda Fair.
I have just started putting together our family tree and discovered some old photos, one is a picture of Matilda Fair circa 1910, with her son Christopher who is my grandfather. Joseph might like to have a copy so please find one attached.
Reply from Roy.
This is getting exciting! First check out 'Joseph de Lacey Ireland Jan 31st, 2017' shown below. Then check out the three photos my father and General Sir George de Lacy Evens shown above Then Matilda Fair shown here. The de Lacy Chin?
Ian Lacy-Smith, UK July 2017.
Has anyone come across the book "FOLLOWING THE LACY TRAIL" (author unknown but may be American). It contains information on an early Californian entrepreneur William Lacy (1837-1897) and his large family. William emigrated from London to Illinois in 1860 and later moved to California where he became involved in many different ventures.
William was a son of Richard Lacy (1802-1852) of Macroom, Ireland and London who is one of my greatgreatgrandfathers.
Reply from Roy
I was able to verify your facts Ian but was unable to trace the book, shame it sounds interesting. William eventually died in Mexico. My search suggests it was Richard who had the large family.
George Walker, Santa Maria CA. July 2017
Greetings from America! My name is George Walker, I live in Santa Maria CA. My Aunt and Grandmother had recently move close to my home for health reasons, and in their move they had handed over to me a bundle of family trees and history booklets of our family. My grandmother's name is Mary-Lacy, and my Aunt name is Lacy, both had been given my Great Grandmother's maiden name Ethel Lacy. In a booklet, written by my Grandmother's cousin, William Decker, he writes mostly about the Lacy Family lineage in America. But in the first chapter w writes about our family coming from the de Lacy lineage. Starting in Normandy, fighting with William in the battle of Hastings, moving into Ireland with the Norman conquest, and one James de Lacy migrating to Virginia in 1691 after the second siege of Limerick. I was wondering is you had any connection to the families that left to America at that time.
Reply from Roy.
The book 'de Lacy Chronicles' contains details of a James de Lacy of Virginia, but his story is set in 1823-1906. He may be a descendant of your James.
Justin de Lacy, Moorooduc, Victoria, Australia. July 2017
I've just become aware of your site / book / research. I'd like to discover more about my family, in particular how the de Lacy name made it to Australia! One day I'd like to visit the ancestral homeland of my family, and meet family I never knew... Your research will help a lot!
Reply from Roy.
There are clues in all the de Lacy Family Generations. If you can trace if your ancestors, emigrated to Australia, from England or Irelandthis will help you reduce your search area. Good luck.
Bill Hobday UK May12th 2017
During my research, I have come upon different theories regarding the Cromwellbottom line.
One, that they are descended from the original "legitimate" John Lacy through his son Robert de Lacy.
Two, that they are descended from the "illegitimate" John de Lacy.
However, the illegitimate John received a grant of lands in Grantchester. Descendants, such as Edmund and John are listed in various pedigrees for the Lacy's of Grantchester. If this is accurate, then who was the progenitor of the Cromwellbottom line?
The family histories I have read in ancestry.com are all over the place in regard to persons, dates, etc., so a hot spot it remains!
Thanks again for all the researching you have done, you have brought this family back to life.
Reply from Roy
Certainly, you are researching a "Hot Spot" for de Lacy descendants including Henry de Lacy Earl of Lincoln, and your target John de Lacy. However, the coat of Arms does not give conclusive proof. The registration of coats of arms did not start till much later. So someone with a tenuous link may take a fancy to their personal use.
And, how should I react being descended from an illegitimate branch? There is no need to react to historical illegitimacy. This was a big stick created by The Church and Throne to help retain power. Illegitimacy is out of date in a modern secular society.
Janice Williams, UK. April 2017
Congratulations on a well researched and presented history of the de Lacy family. I found it really easy to follow. The Datelines of the various monarchs were very helpful as were the details of each de Lacy mentioned.
After reading your book I want to find out more about John Lacy, Clothworker of London, and a favourite of Queen Elizabeth 1. You mention in your book that he was possibly the John Lacy she sent to Ireland.
Reply from Roy
Thank you for your kind comments on 'de Lacy Chronicles' . Ha's anyone else have any knowledge of John de Lacy? This is a second request for this name in de Lacy history.
Brian Patrick De Lacy, South Africa + Dublin 31st March 17
I am from South Africa. My father's name was James George De Lacy. His grandfather (my great grandfather) was from Ireland and emigrated to South Africa.
My father passed away in the 1980's and I never had the opportunity to get any heritage details from him. My brother James Terrence De Lacy is now living in Dublin and we are trying to get some direction on our heritage.
My fathers father, my grandfather, passed away when my father was 4 years old.
My mother was born in Ireland and emigrated with her family to South Africa when she was in her teens.
In anyone can provide me any info or direction on how to access my De Lacy heritage it will be appreciated.
Reply from Roy,
There are other entries which relate back to Dublin within these comments. good luck with your search. Please refer back any progress that can be shared.
Lisa Reeves, UK 2nd March 2017
Hi...I have in my family tree a maud de lacy marrying a Richard de fitton.......does anyone know of this is correct and any info on the link with these two families? Thank you.
Reply from Roy,
I have checked out the de Mitton family as the nearest link. I think possibly you have been given wrong dates. There are a number of Maud de Lacy's in the book but none married to a Richard de Fitton. Can anybody help with more information for Lisa?
Question from Bill Hobday Feb 19th
Hi Bill, Your question: He refers to the "Yorkshire" line of Lacy's-could you relate any information you have regarding that line, as it might be a clue to the Northumbrian Lacy's.
The Yorkshire de Lacy's were the ( poorly recorded) descendants of retainers and Knights who came to Pontefract Castle Yorkshire with Ilbert de Lacy from Lassy in Normandy the 1st Baron of the Honour of Pontefract. Unfortunately, the direct descendants of Ilbert came to an end in 1311. Sorry, I can add no more at this stage I will post the question on the de Lacy Family tree page we may both find a response.
Joseph de Lacey Ireland Jan 31st, 2017 I have read your blog, and it is great. My family are from Dublin, and it may be that we are related. Great Grandfather was Christopher de Lacy and Grandfather was James, Great Grandmother was Matilda Fair. Recognise anyone? My daughter has that chin as does my nephew, she thanks me every time. Keep up the very good work, Joe
Reply from Roy
Thank you, Joe. My personal family tree has suffered some neglect with my involvement in Medieval times having taken president. I have just looked back at the de Lacy tree page on the website and my father's picture and his chin, I see what you mean! When I get a chance I will look back at my early notes; the name James rings a bell.
Linda Rabineau, Pennsylvania, USA. Jan 31st 2017
I am researching the de Lacy line that resided in Barbados, West Indies during the 1640's through the early 1700's.
The Widow Mary de Lacy was brought to America in the early 1700's by Stephen Griffin of Simsbury CT. De Lacy was her first husband's surname and was said to be quite wealthy and of Spanish/Portuguese descent.
Hoping to finally find someone that may help me bring this line of Lacy's into the European line and find the given name of her first husband most of all. Oral tradition says that Stephen brought the Widow de Lacy to America after she had nursed him back to health while becoming ill in Barbados. He married the Widow and brought her and her two daughters, Martha and Mary with her. This information comes to me from the notes of Albert C Bates, a local historian of Simsbury CT who interviewed Lester Griffin (the great grandson of Stephen Griffin). I have a tree, open to the public, BACON and GRIFFIN family tree, on Ancestry, user ID is Rabi51, and welcome anyone wanting to look at it
Reply From Roy
First the positive part. There are close links to the de Lacy family in Spain. Not just Spanish National heroes like Field Marshall Luis de Lacy there is a chapter in De Lacy Chronicles which covers his adventures and eventual fate. He and many of his contemporizes were descendants of Irish stock who left Ireland to join the Irish Brigade in Europe. From the English branch of the family, there were de Lacy's who fled and settled in Spain to escape the wrath of King John in the twelfth century. All of which gives credence to the husband of Widow de Lacy being Spanish. Given the involvement of Spain in and about South America at times strengthens the reason why they may have been there. The negative part is Linda, sorry I can offer no information about the Griffin Family but good luck in your search.
From Ron Lacy (USA) Jan 14th, 2017
If the Normans are of the small Tribe of Benjamin in Israel . The tribe of Benjamin were with the tribe of Judah together in Yahrusalem, who fought the 10 tribes of Israel in Samaria. Benjamin were only of 26,000 men, while the other 10 had 410,000 fighting there own brothers, whom the smaller defeated the larger twice! There had to be marriages between Judah and Benjamin. So the DeLacys (Lacys) will also be Jewish, plus what ever region we all setteled in , world wide. My family settled in Ireland, USA, England, Scotland , Czechlosavakia (spelling)? ., my DNA says Jewish., also Spain, Italy, Russia. Somewhere I read that the name Lacy meant Delta, and Deadly. my first name Ronald means mighty ruler, hence "Deadly Mighty Ruler". I didn't make this up! Ronald Lacy Toledo, Ohio. I have bought 4 of your DLC books.
Reply by Roy
Thank you, Ron, for your interesting comment. From my years researching the de Lacy family I have learned not to be surprised at any possible theory's regarding first, the medieval de Lacy family's origins their place in Norman history and finally the Norman place in Viking History. You are now offering a theory travelling back over a further two thousand years into the origins of the de Lacy family connecting its past with the twelfth biblical tribe of Israel. Out of my range of thinking Ron but it would be interesting if anyone else can add to Ron's theory.
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